X-Plants

Sp.1 comes from an old japanese website as thorelii, we can't know much
more. It’s identical to the cambodian thorelii from Nong’s website.

“About sp.1, it seems to correspond with Nong’s “N. thorelii-Cambodia”

as well as with a plant

I’m growing under the name “N. thorelii” which came from Dr. Jeff Shafer after he received it from the Denver

Botanic Gardens in 1995 or 1996”. Dave Evans

“The J. Shafer’s plant should be N. thorelii Kondo female. Collected by
Kondo in the 60's from Cambodia and used extensively at CSUF by Leo
Song in hybridizing in the 1970's. This plant is all too familiar at
least here on the west coast”. Tom Kahl

Being the only x-plant coming from Cambodia and having such a peculiar pear-like shape of the pitcher and

apple-like shape of the lid (also check out the Lid Experiment), this plant used to be considered by me N. thorelii. Martin Cheek at Kew told me (Dec 2007) it is considered by him now to be N. kampotiana. This species (now not considered anymore as a synonym of N. smilesii) seems to extend from the coast of Trat, all along the Cambodian coast (including the area around the city of Kampot) and eventually in southern Vietnam. Check the bottom of the Trat page to see some pictures of the Thai specimens I grow and a few more taxonomical details.

About sp. 4, its grower sais: “My only inclination to call this the "real thorelii" would stem from the fact that

the person I received this mature plant from had been in the hobby for some time, and his collection was well-established, so
it is possible the plant was from the "original stock" that entered
cultivation years ago”. Noah Elhardt

Nong came out in June 2005 with a plant (sp.4a) that his "plant hunter" probably found in Laos,

near the border with northeast Thailand (read more here and here). Sp.4a and sp.4 are almost identical. Both have

whitish or light green pitcher bottom, roundish shape and tendril coming directly from the bottom of the pitcher.

Another thing: N. thorelii is not supposed to grow in Laos. And not even N. smilesii !!! Only N. mirabilis !!

Whatever that plant is, it's a surprise !!!

Geoff Mansell sais “N. thorelii (d) (in the second picture up here), was from seeds we obtained from Allen Lowrie in
Western Australia and it was labelled N. gymnamphora-Java, which it clearly was not".

Trent Meeks sais: “We just noticed some of our photos - thorelii “red x squat” (in the first picture up here) and thorelii (d) - are listed here as sp. 7.

The “red x squat” goes back a number of years. At least five years ago, when I obtained a few seedlings of this grex from the Mansell’s.

We have one male, another plant that has not bloomed and our prized female, which produces larger

pitchers than the other two, and has a distinctive striped peristome.

The thorelii (d) was purchased from the same source as a group of seedlings last
year (2004). We kept a few for ourselves but sold off the rest. As a group, they
were very uniform, as can be seen in the photos on our website.

We suspect that all of the thorelii from the Mansell's are related. We even suspect that the seeds from Allen Lowrie may have

been off his own plants that he got from the same source as the Mansell's (Brisbane Botanical Gardens). They do look strikingly

similar to Kondo's picture (see down here), and may in fact all be from the same two or three plants”.

Sp. 7 is in fact quite similar to the plant that in Kondo’s “Carnivorous

Plants of the world in color”

is called N. thorelii. The photo was taken by A. Hayashi (Nagoya, Japan).

In July 2005 some plants have been found in the south of Thailand, at Phanga (near the island

where N. Viking grows), and they were sold

to Nong (check his page about this plant HERE). So far they’ve

been called “giant thorelii”, but it’s amazing how similar they are to sp. 7 and also to Kondo’s book plants.

Trent Meeks is growing a

couple of these “giant thorelii”, see down here some pics (Nong is the author of the left photo. Trent is

the author of the photo on the right).